Sugestions for VooDoo based projects

[KrossX]

I do not know if this is the place for me but....


All of you are talking about V5 SLI, 4X AGP, More Memory... bla,bla,bla... I have something in mind:

-OpenGL 1.4 Support (And don`t tell me that the AM3.0 support this beacuse the best OpenGL is 1.1; I already tested the 1.1 in a 1.2game "NWNights" and there are a lot of things that are missing!)
-Full Dx8.1 Support (Of course is better 9.0 support but 8.1 is cool; Im talking about T&L Shared, PixelShader, BumpMappings, Anisotropic Filter, Reflexions, Refraccions, other stuffs like that; You can see it running TombRaiderAngelOfDarkness)

Note: All of that was for: (V4 4500 vs GeForce4 MX440) all in AGP2.0 4X, 256MBDDR, P4 1.8GHz.

[amp_man]

Originally posted by lecram25

The 4x thing-a-ma-bob notch would be most beneficial.

your posts do get more intelligent! jk. anyways, how exactly do you plan on adding more ram to the existing card? is this a physical add-on or upgrade of the existing ram chip, or would it be something done to upgrade the old chips using some sort of prog? I agree with KrossX though, IMOHO before we go into upgrading the v5 to the class of today's cards, we need to make the existing card work with today's standards, and go from there. but hank, good luck on the mods!

when the sun goes down, the music turns up...

[lecram25]

Ok, that was posted way before I met your sleezy ass. And secondly, don't question Hank. Tis useless...

Hank, great progress!

[dborca]

Originally posted by KrossX
-OpenGL 1.4 Support (And don`t tell me that the AM3.0 support this beacuse the best OpenGL is 1.1; I already tested the 1.1 in a 1.2game "NWNights" and there are a lot of things that are missing!)
-Full Dx8.1 Support (Of course is better 9.0 support but 8.1 is cool; Im talking about T&L Shared, PixelShader, BumpMappings, Anisotropic Filter, Reflexions, Refraccions, other stuffs like that; You can see it running TombRaiderAngelOfDarkness)

These things harshly can be done in HW! SW, maybe.

BTW, thanks, Hank! AGP 4x is the most urgent issue, IMO! Keep up the good work...

Regards,
Borca Daniel

[NitroX infinity]

I don't know what your programming skills are but just adding these features to the PCB and enabling them in the drivers won't be enough.
For all these functions to be implemented you would need to reprogram the core itself so it can handle the new functions. And reprogramming the core is a lot more advanced/difficult than programming drivers. So in my opinion, unless you're backed by a graphics company which will help you, these goals are unattainable.

[dborca]

Originally posted by Phalanx

I don't know what your programming skills are but just adding these features to the PCB and enabling them in the drivers won't be enough.
For all these functions to be implemented you would need to reprogram the core itself so it can handle the new functions. And reprogramming the core is a lot more advanced/difficult than programming drivers. So in my opinion, unless you're backed by a graphics company which will help you, these goals are unattainable.

I said SW not driver. Read more carefully. And no, I'm not backed by anything, except some great friends...

Regards,
Borca Daniel

[amp_man]

lecram, you need to lighten up a little. and since when is curiosity illegal?

[lecram25]

I don't know what your programming skills are but just adding these features to the PCB and enabling them in the drivers won't be enough.
For all these functions to be implemented you would need to reprogram the core itself so it can handle the new functions. And reprogramming the core is a lot more advanced/difficult than programming drivers. So in my opinion, unless you're backed by a graphics company which will help you, these goals are unattainable.

I think Phalanx was talking about Hank. Let's put it this way...Hank IS the Voodoo 5 6000 god. He was the main (i think) engineer who worked on and with it. Also, he does work for a graphics company. I'm not sure if I'm at the leisure to say which one...

[NitroX infinity]

Originally posted by lecram25
[...]

I think Phalanx was talking about Hank. Let's put it this way...Hank IS the Voodoo 5 6000 god. He was the main (i think) engineer who worked on and with it. Also, he does work for a graphics company. I'm not sure if I'm at the leisure to say which one...

Yep, I was talking about the topicstarter.
And him being the main engineer in the past doesn't change my opinion. If you want a videocard to accept new functions like AGP4x or more memory you would have to reprogram the core.

Hank, if you are able to reprogram the core it would be nice if you could reprogram a V5 5500 so that one chip is turned into a Hardware T&L thingy

[Nightbird]

hum, about the Agp, i see 2 different problems :
- agp 4x :  the "technical" support
for the moment, you can't put a V5 5500 in the very last slots agp 8x/4x (and 1.5v) because a v5 5k is "only" an agp 2x / 3.3v and now the slots agp are "locked"
only the 3dfx V4 4500 is an agp 4x, 1.5v
- the true support for the agp texturing that all the Voodoocards don't support

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[lecram25]

Hank, if you are able to reprogram the core it would be nice if you could reprogram a V5 5500 so that one chip is turned into a Hardware T&L thingy

Not possible. You'd have to get an off chip tnl untit. Which would be a little useless atm. There was gonna be an off chip tnl unti for the vsa100.

[beta]

The VSA-100 GPU is a 4x AGP part... but 4X AGP is hardly an 'urgent issue' as without execute mode it is largely a pointless function.  The Voodoo 5 shipped on a 1.3V AGP 1.0 compliant PCB without an AGP bridge controller of any sort.  The card will only run at pseudo AGP 1X.

The physcial hardware modifications discussed here are quite 'optimistic' and to be honest unworkable.  There is only so much you can do with OpenGL 1.1/DirectX 7.0 hardware... before the whole thing becomes 'software'.

-edit: I'm pretty sure 1.5V slot mods have been done, but they are rather 'crude' from what I've seen so far.  1.5V/0.8V slot compatibility is most likely the most beneficial idea discussed here.  (I don't mean a Voodoo 3/5 running at 4X or 8X AGP but one of the former running at 1x or 2x in a 1.5V/0.8V AGP 3.0 slot.)

[Black_Out]

Would you be able to at some point in time get the Voodoo 4/5s to support these features, if at all[?]

-Tesselation
-AGP DIME/DMA (w/new GART support as well)
-AGP Fastwrites support
-Gloss Mapping
-Vertex Blending
-Speculative read/write
-Anisotropic Filter
-Texture thrashing
-OpenGL 1.4

[lecram25]

Would you be able to at some point in time get the Voodoo 4/5s to support these features, if at all

-Tesselation
-AGP DIME/DMA (w/new GART support as well)
-AGP Fastwrites support
-Gloss Mapping
-Vertex Blending
-Speculative read/write
-Anisotropic Filter
-Texture thrashing
-OpenGL 1.4

The VSA100 can only do upto OpenGL 1.2. And you're asking the wrong guy for these features. Hank is a HARDWARE guy. And last time I checked, AF was software based...

[hanksemenec]

The Only thing that can be done for V5 is AGP4X support, voltage vise! So you can use new mother boards with it. It will still stay basically PCI66 engine, there is nothing you can do about it.

I am still tied down on urgent support, just can't get to the damn thing

Hank