MesaFX

[dborca]

Originally posted by lecram25

How exactly did I try to piss you off? If I did, I swear it was unintentional...

Remember this:

So if your Voodoo3 is so damn powerfull and great, why aren't people giving two ****s about a driver update?

Or... if memory still doesn't serve:
http://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=140&whichpage=1

Don't worry, I'm past the heat! But I don't like being constantly ****ed up, okay?

Regards,
Borca Daniel

[Black_Out]

WOAH WOAH WOAH -- I said for *EXAMPLE* --- daniel -- I like OpenGL just as much as I like DirectX, I think I must've worded it wrong or something -- I was just saying -- becuase I think it's funny SGI would waste time and resources on this site.

That's all - I did not mean to create a firestorm here.

Honestly - I *realy* do like OpenGL, I also Like DirectX just as much *for the record*.

I appologize for the mis-understanding.

And Amigamerlin I have no Idea what you are going off about on my nikname - it's black_out and that's all there is to it - if you think I am someone else, well -- I am not.

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[Black_Out]

You wanna tell me something -- what in goodness sake is the point of these forums -- not just yours but all the 3dfx fourms on the 'net?

Really it's all BS becuase they always get outta hand -- and yes without me being in the middle as I would be accused of here (at this site) -- and it al turns to a big pile of BS and that is what is becoming of a good majority of the fourms on this site - this posting included.

Paranoia is catching on wayyyyy too much you think I am using another nickname fine -- for all I care delete my account, lecram25 and amp_man -- which I have been accused of being (and I am not) will still post and I can't stop them, nor will I try.

These forums keep becoming null/void/waste of time as this one has become once Daniel and Amigamerlin lost their composure with me.

It was a simple question and no one kept their EGO in check and leave it at the door.

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[lecram25]

Woops, sorry Daniel. I DO remember that post; I'm not sure what came over me...

:: runs and hides ::

And don't listen to black_out, he's crazy!!! i.e. noone should go about deleting my account,
Or I'll get Elvis on your back!!!

[amp_man]

Black_Out are you nuts? ::smacks Black_Out in the back of the head several times:: if you want to leave, fine, go, but i think lecram and I enjoy it here. just cause one guy gets on your nerves doesn't mean you should run and hide. sometimes it's more fun just to toy with them...

when the sun goes down, the music turns up...

Windows XP Pro|Athlon XP 1800+|GeForce2(temporarily, for compatibility purposes)|MSI K7T266-A|768MB DDR 2700 RAM|SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card

[bloodworm]

MESA will be called MESA.
OpenGL will be called openGL.
You could even say MESA (like OpenGL).  Using the parenthesis clarifies that it is only LIKE OpenGL, and not OpenGL.

.....calling it MesaGL would not be out of the question, as all of the letters ARE an anacronym for full words anyways.  

BUT.... the MESA guys want us to call it MESA and not MESAGL because it IS their baby and they DO have a copyright on it, which gives them the right to control how it is presented to the world and such (even though it is free and open source)..... which also makes it the right (and correct) thing to do as well.

By the way, our 3 year old HARDWARE has, and always had, the "license" to use SGI's stuff at will.  It is part of the ongoing hardware license that 3dFX and SGI agreed upon back then.
GLIDE has been open source for ages......
And I do believe that DirectX has been open for hardware use for some time now.......

[Black_Out]

Lecream - you need to get a life, get lost you impotent little monkey. Why don't you go somewhere else and create your own jerk forum -- you're already leading the pack you can post all the moronic saying and idiodic icons you want. Ya LEPunk. Where's your "owned" icon you keep posting via the x3dfx forums. You're a little kiddie -- I only deal with men, not little kids.

amp_man - hey look -- if they think that your login is mine well fine I challenge them to do something about it. Otherwise -- enough!

Get on my nerves - no I was letting them know that they **forgot** to read ALL of my message and skipped the fact that I said "...I just happen to like OpenGL" Daniel just went nuts -- why?

And Amingmerlin just started jabbering something about nickname and from what I made out of it is some sort of accuzation about me beingn LePunk or your login.

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[amp_man]

sorry m8, thought u were suggesting to delete all our screennames, which wouldn't be cool. anyways, take it easy on lepunk, one of these days he'll grow up. and if they still believe that you and I are the same, why don't they just check IPs? or do they not log them here? if we're gonna continue this fit, one of us should create a nice little thread in the off-topic section, and allow these discussions to continue in peace. anyways, props to the Mesa team, I'll be downloading it as soon as i finish up these nVidia drivers from omega.

EDIT: I think what AmigaMerlin meant was that you wanted to be called Black_Out, not otherwise, or something like that. in other words, i think he believes us, that we aren't the same person, and was just making a little joke, which didn't turn out very well with the italian->english translation. is that what you meant amigamerlin?

EDIT AGAIN:@Black_Out, you can delete your own double post, unless the admins have decided not to let you delete any more.

when the sun goes down, the music turns up...

Windows XP Pro|Athlon XP 1800+|GeForce2(temporarily, for compatibility purposes)|
MSI K7T266Pro2-A|768MB DDR 2700 RAM|SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card|Sony 500 watt 5.1 surround sound

[Black_Out]

I only meant for myself in regrads to acount deletion - but instead - yeah - why not check the IP - just about every place I know of that has forums loggs the IP.

You speak the truth my friend. I will create an off-topic discussion where it will continue on whatever traction it may have.

Hey Amp_man -- I have made a new off-topic discussion for this, check it out here:

http://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=371


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[lecram25]

Um amp_man, he did mean to delete our "names"

for all I care delete my account, lecram25 and amp_man

And black_out, you totally misunderstood Amiga...show's what level of intellect you're on...

Originally posted by Amigamerlin:

Mesa is MESA - Opengl is opengl nothing else then is right to call it how it should be called . If your nik is black_out you must be called Black_out and not elseware .. right?

What he was trying to say was that there is no difference between "Mesa" and "MESA" (notice the case sensitivity). Hence him bringing in your "name"; i.e. whether it's spelt with a capital "B" or lowercase, we still who it is. That's all. DUH!!!
You really might want to go see a shrink, you've got some serious mental issues...

[Amigamerlin]

Originally posted by bloodworm

MESA will be called MESA.
OpenGL will be called openGL.
You could even say MESA (like OpenGL).  Using the parenthesis clarifies that it is only LIKE OpenGL, and not OpenGL.

.....calling it MesaGL would not be out of the question, as all of the letters ARE an anacronym for full words anyways.  

BUT.... the MESA guys want us to call it MESA and not MESAGL because it IS their baby and they DO have a copyright on it, which gives them the right to control how it is presented to the world and such (even though it is free and open source)..... which also makes it the right (and correct) thing to do as well.

By the way, our 3 year old HARDWARE has, and always had, the "license" to use SGI's stuff at will.  It is part of the ongoing hardware license that 3dFX and SGI agreed upon back then.
GLIDE has been open source for ages......
And I do believe that DirectX has been open for hardware use for some time now.......

Completely agree!!

Black_out stop creating confusion .
You are doing only this and you don't have understood nothing of what I have writed !! Read what I have quoted (from bloodword) and this is what I have write to you in my previous post.

Then calm down and be more polite .
LIKE I SAID no useless war or flame in this board

I hope you understood this time !!

Well now some little news.

This is the promised statement

THIS IS 3DFXOGL



THIS IS NEW MESA.DLL



Amigamerlin
3DFXZONE MODERATOR
Powerd By Voodoo5 6000

[qrazi]

nice! so how much does the vsa100 support? it states 26% opengl 1.4 now, how far can that be stretched for example? what is the highest opengl version the vsa100 can do 100%?

[dborca]

ENOUGH!

@lecram25
Apologies accepted! As I said, I'm past the heat...
Note: go ahead with Elvis! I'm prepared for the worst...

@amp_map
Promising in the beginning, ended up just like any other Forum junkie!

@black_out
Man, you're paranoid! And, FYI, I hate DirectX! Yet I won't say it is related to a former UK software package...
Note: just because you have a problem with excuses, doesn't mean you need to offend Lecram25 for doing so...

Now, to all:

Primo, I didn't go nuts! People asked why Mesa and not MesaGL! I explained more than once! If some of you have understanding problems, well, that is...
Secundo, Mesa cares not about the former relationship between SGI and 3dfx! Mesa is, by excellence, a SOFTWARE graphics library! That is one of its main goals: this way, you can test the correct output from a videocard.



Regards,
Borca Daniel

[bloodworm]

What function did we lose out of the 1.3 section?  And are the functions that can be done in hardware still done through the old ICD?  Or does MESA.dll take ALL the calls and process them?  I am very interested indeed!  keep us posted please.

[dborca]

@qrazi & bloodworm

Originally posted by bloodworm

What function did we lose out of the 1.3 section?  And are the functions that can be done in hardware still done through the old ICD?  Or does MESA.dll take ALL the calls and process them?  I am very interested indeed!  keep us posted please.

Glad to see anyone still interested in the main problem!

The most important missing feature is texture compression! Currently underway!

VSA can also do EXT_texture_env! Maybe emulate texture border?!?

The rest... I forgo...

Some extensions can be tricked! Some not! Perhaps we will decide to support those in SW! Or, "au contraire" defer support and rely only on the VSA HW capabilities.


Regards,
Borca Daniel